tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018150878053576621.post4104605659208815277..comments2024-01-24T09:52:13.793-05:00Comments on The Next Batman Bad Guy: Villain ListBillhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12302687092773014075noreply@blogger.comBlogger90125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018150878053576621.post-8795579364644306932010-12-29T09:22:28.284-05:002010-12-29T09:22:28.284-05:00hey love the site wasted lots of my crapy time rea...hey love the site wasted lots of my crapy time reading throught it. just a comment you might not get if your not from Ireland or the UK, but does Chris Nolan look very similar to Harry Enfeild. anyway love the site and I would agree with you that Tom Hardy will be unreal in the next batman flick who ever he plays. PS happy new year!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018150878053576621.post-10933564774655656622010-05-09T13:08:44.908-04:002010-05-09T13:08:44.908-04:00Bill,
I'm almost out of time for a script fo...Bill, <br /><br />I'm almost out of time for a script for Nolan, and just a few days ago, my file for my script got corrupted. <br /><br />Can I call Syncopy Films and give them an outline of my script? Goyer penned an outline.<br /><br />Thanks for your time,<br /><br />The CommissionerCommissioner Gordonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018150878053576621.post-88902499448890771412010-05-02T01:28:30.679-04:002010-05-02T01:28:30.679-04:00You certainly have an outline for an interesting c...You certainly have an outline for an interesting character there, but I'm not sure it's exactly the Riddler. This idea that he has a truth telling obsession... is not exactly right, I don't think.<br /><br />He has a compulsion to find the truth, and to challenge others to find it, but he will not just hand out answers. They're too precious to him.<br /><br />One of my favorite Riddler moments in the comics is when he learned that Bruce Wayne is Batman. The Riddler was beyond excited, preparing to tell everyone. Batman points out that for now, the Riddler knows something none of his peers know. But if he tells everyone, the knowledge of Batman's identity ceases to be special. So the Riddler keeps it a secret.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12302687092773014075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018150878053576621.post-59982153024446257312010-05-01T16:45:15.048-04:002010-05-01T16:45:15.048-04:00BILL, PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS:
Indeed, there are se...BILL, PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS:<br />Indeed, there are several good ideas that could reinvent the Riddler as a sophisticating character. Earlier pages in this thread allude to the possibility of having a "Fall of Man" allegory, that would cast Edward Nashton as a gifted but tragically flawed Faustian figure, whose self-destructive obsession with Batman not only brings out his worst demons (e.g. his narcissism, vanity, and arrogance) but leads him to become a monster. Of course, he is vainglorious of his own talents and jealous they aren't being recognized, but in order to truly distinguish him from other criminals in the Nolanverse, his motives need to be deeper than simply wanting to flaunt his superior intellect (which, quite frankly, sounds childish). So, for a second, let's imagine Edward Nashton as a man who has devoted his entire life finding answers, only to struggle with the greatest puzzle of them all, "Who is the man behind the Mask?" He knows that uncovering the identity of Batman would undermine Gotham's fight against crime, but he ignores this and pursues his own agenda. This plot would contain elements relating to the "Forbidden Fruit from the Tree of Knowledge" (kudos to those who spotted the imagery in Magritte's 'The Son Of Man'...A green apple blocking the face of a man wearing a bowler hat? Genius! )<br /><br />We all know Riddler's primary motivation is to tell the truth, and that having knowledge others lack is what empowers him to taunt people with his puzzles. However, the Riddler can also be someone who feels the world is built upon lies, specifically "fear of the truth." He wants the people of Gotham to face the truth about themselves, even if what they find frightens them. He sees life as the biggest riddle of all, but the easiest to solve...It's just that people are unwilling to accept the answer he has for them. That's why he leaves clues at his crimes. For Nashton, it's all about the power of truth. Whereas in TDK, Batman felt that the people of Gotham "Deserve more than the Truth", Edward Naston is someone who feels that we ought to embrace it. In this vein, the Riddler becomes a symbol of the Truth, and its potential to destroy and inflict harm (especially if he exposes Harvey Dent and succeeds in denying Gotham of its martyr and "White Knight)<br /><br />That's why Batman is such an ideal opponent...Here's a man who not only refuses to reveal his identity (presenting an unsolvable intellectual challenge) but who must hide behind a mask in order to be himself. Batman reflects society's unwillingness to be honest with itself, and yet people continue to look up to him as a hero? To Edward, this simply doesn't make sense....and so it deranges him. Nashton has accepted the truth about the world, and wants others to realize the lies they create, but he sees Batman as his greatest obstacle, and over time, he comes to see Batman as the embodiment of Gotham's darkest secrets and its worst lies. As others have pointed out, a conflict like this would would follow the increasing complexity of what drives Batman's villians in the Nolanverse (If Ra's Al was saying, "Gotham, you are evil, I will destroy you!", and Joker "Gotham you are evil, and you will destroy each other!", then Riddler would say, "Gotham, you are complicit in an evil that will eventually destroy you!") Not to mention it adds depth to an interesting villain who, otherwise, has been painfully underdeveloped as an characterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018150878053576621.post-56220064383990156332010-04-24T13:05:15.297-04:002010-04-24T13:05:15.297-04:00I'm all for the riddler, But i think he needs ...I'm all for the riddler, But i think he needs too be taken in a tottally different direction than any of the other villains. We've seen Psychotic (The Joker), Frightening (Scarecrow), A victim (Two-face), and a terrorist (Rahs al Ghul). SO the riddler needs to be something tottally different. He needs to push batman beyond what he's been through. He needs to be a real test of batman wit and his morals. A sort of criminal mastermind, who always seems too know what batman will do next.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018150878053576621.post-57494738492020560452010-04-07T10:54:11.802-04:002010-04-07T10:54:11.802-04:00Moreover, Riddler and Mask would fit perfectly as ...Moreover, Riddler and Mask would fit perfectly as continuations of the themes explored in both BB and TDK.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018150878053576621.post-7638633164336746002010-03-23T16:01:09.765-04:002010-03-23T16:01:09.765-04:00If we assume that Batman needs to be redeemed and ...If we assume that Batman needs to be redeemed and have reached the stage he is in in the comics by the end of the next movie, the Riddler and Black Mask seem most logical choices storyvise.<br /><br />Riddler would be clever enough to discover the truth about Harvey and reveal it, while taking down such a horrible criminal as Black Mask would make Batman once again earn the trust of the city.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018150878053576621.post-27825661188120309392010-03-21T07:59:35.038-04:002010-03-21T07:59:35.038-04:00Bane doesn't seem probable at all to me. Save ...Bane doesn't seem probable at all to me. Save him for other, more action based Batman movies by some other director.<br /><br />On other hand Riddler seems very probable. The trap aspect would actually make him interesting and different from the Joker. The traps wouldn't have to be Saw level in brutality. I'm thinking the movie "Untraceable". Look it up. What's important is that<br />all victims must have a chance to survive if the only have enough wit. Also Riddler should have some secret agenda too, not just punishing people. Maybe his games could be a red herring to distract Batman from some big heist, like in "Die Hard with a Vengeance".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018150878053576621.post-83341070356066007572010-03-12T07:02:45.078-05:002010-03-12T07:02:45.078-05:00I hope the villain won't be Riddler. I know he...I hope the villain won't be Riddler. I know he's very different from Joker, but what could he do in a movie that hasn't already been done in Nolan's movies. Mind games? Done with Joker. Knowing Batman's identity? Don with Ra's. What's left, traps? I don't want a lame version of Jigsaw?<br /><br />Black Mask and Bane, now these villains seem like better choices. And very probable too, I think. Mask would rule the underworld, and he could even control the cops, and send everyone after Batman. Bane uses the opporturnity to try to break the bat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018150878053576621.post-77292897298226764522010-02-26T16:06:37.158-05:002010-02-26T16:06:37.158-05:00hey serious site man. I thought of a bad guy you h...hey serious site man. I thought of a bad guy you havn't done(thats sounds wrong) from the Adam West TV series the Bookworm. not too sure if he was in the comics nearly certain he was. I dont mind who the next bad guy is because i think Nolan will not fuck it up. unless he picks johny Depp to be the riddler. I think he would totally fuck it up just like he made a shit of john delinger in public enemies. I seen documentries about john delinger more interesting then that film. I think Guy Pearse would be the ultimate Riddler. also what would you think of Jack Black as the penquin not as an acentrick chracter but in a serious role. I think he could nail it.disco3https://www.blogger.com/profile/08907730867021201932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018150878053576621.post-85362198099855987142010-02-22T15:01:11.146-05:002010-02-22T15:01:11.146-05:00you guys know it doesn't have to be "neo-...you guys know it doesn't have to be "neo-realistic", it just has be to be realistic "enough". 'cause really, how realistic is fear gas and having half of your body WITHOUT SKIN on it? the series isn't as realistic as you all make it out to be.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018150878053576621.post-29932219511732104342010-02-18T06:28:51.273-05:002010-02-18T06:28:51.273-05:00No matter what, there will be a 4th movie, whether...No matter what, there will be a 4th movie, whether Nolan's involved or not.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12302687092773014075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018150878053576621.post-61636353645057089002010-02-18T00:46:30.035-05:002010-02-18T00:46:30.035-05:00If I turn my script in TOO LATE for a THIRD BATMAN...If I turn my script in TOO LATE for a THIRD BATMAN FILM, could it be accepted for a FOURTH, or will NOLAN have GONE?Commissioner Gordonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018150878053576621.post-60300315743861656912010-01-17T03:50:56.780-05:002010-01-17T03:50:56.780-05:00I'm thinking Catwoman is just a burglar, but P...I'm thinking Catwoman is just a burglar, but Poison Ivy can be a bio-terrorist, which is much more threatening.<br /><br />Poison Ivy can be a talented researcher funded by some evil co-operation or by Wayne Enterprise (Bruce Wayne decides to develop biochemical weapons or prevention of similar attacks as he had the same experience from Ras Al Ghul and Scarecrow). <br /><br />PI and Bruce then somehow becomes soul mate, but PI decides to turn evil and blow up buildings and gassing communities, causing Batman to fight her.<br /><br />In TDK we lost Batman's love interest, and the actor who played the agent of chaos. PI might be a good villain to use as she can fill both roles.Greenlitenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018150878053576621.post-6700772416074483232010-01-03T15:37:48.771-05:002010-01-03T15:37:48.771-05:00How would I prevent "GOTHAM'S JUDGMENT&qu...How would I prevent "GOTHAM'S JUDGMENT" from becoming THE GODFATHER PART III or THE TWO JAKES?Commissioner Gordonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018150878053576621.post-72812570637990878482009-12-19T12:05:43.992-05:002009-12-19T12:05:43.992-05:00There is only one way Poison Ivy could work: a sed...There is only one way Poison Ivy could work: a seductress working for the Penguin who kills rival mob bosses by seducing them and poisoning them with fatal herbsCommissioner Gordonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018150878053576621.post-63028999204681193422009-12-14T21:25:42.624-05:002009-12-14T21:25:42.624-05:00Michael Sheen for RiddlerMichael Sheen for RiddlerCommissioner Gordonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018150878053576621.post-41227153979524684132009-12-14T19:14:49.564-05:002009-12-14T19:14:49.564-05:00Some Riddlers:
Jeff Goldblum
Ben Kingsley
Robert ...Some Riddlers:<br /><br />Jeff Goldblum<br />Ben Kingsley<br />Robert Redford<br />Brendan Fraser<br />Clive Owen<br />Jake Gyllenhal (you put my lover in a nuthouse and killed ny sis)<br />Anthony Hopkins<br />Robert de Niro<br />Al Pacino<br />Robin Williams<br />Joe Pantoliano<br />Harrison Ford<br />Tommy Lee Jones<br />Viggo Mortenson<br />Elijah Wood<br />Andy Serkis<br />Matt Damon<br />Ben Affleck<br />Brad Pitt<br />Colin Farrell<br />Tobey Maguire<br />Thomas Hayden Church<br />Paul Giamatti<br />Jeff Bridges<br />Mickey Rork <br />Nick Nocle<br />Christopher Walkn<br />Jackie Earle Haley<br />Haley Joel Osment<br /><br />Get one for Bullock, please! <br /> PenguinCommissioner Gordonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018150878053576621.post-4815919462005528092009-12-12T13:48:14.425-05:002009-12-12T13:48:14.425-05:00I think that's how you get in trouble. If you...I think that's how you get in trouble. If you try to make something that will make money, you come off like a hack with no real ability. If you try to make something for critics, you make pretentious nonsense. <br /><br />You just go out there and make something you'd want to watch, and hope for the best.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12302687092773014075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018150878053576621.post-53823765577594219602009-12-12T12:42:00.338-05:002009-12-12T12:42:00.338-05:00Okay, but wouldn't the burning of Black Mask b...Okay, but wouldn't the burning of Black Mask bore someone like Roger Ebert (here we go again)? I think that the money is a given, so what Nolan needs to focus on is observing what critics say.Commissioner Gordonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018150878053576621.post-81255640914062999772009-12-12T10:35:35.679-05:002009-12-12T10:35:35.679-05:00Yeah, I don't think there's any finalized ...Yeah, I don't think there's any finalized script for Cap yet, but while Red Skull is definitely his best-known villain, it seems 50/50 lately as to whether they use the best-known villain in the first movie of a potential franchise. Batman Begins and Iron Man were the most successful lately, and they only teased the Joker and the Mandarin, respectively, and I'm sure there are others I'm not thinking of.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12302687092773014075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018150878053576621.post-71427289557911246802009-12-12T10:12:30.370-05:002009-12-12T10:12:30.370-05:00Has anyone thought that Red Skull might appear in ...Has anyone thought that Red Skull might appear in the upcoming Captain America movie. Black Mask is be way too similar to that character.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018150878053576621.post-80677641627010236282009-12-12T09:46:58.301-05:002009-12-12T09:46:58.301-05:00Two-Face is ruled by the coin, and has more or les...Two-Face is ruled by the coin, and has more or less surrendered all control to it. Black Mask, on the other hand, is his own boss. He's a power-hungry gangster, but also a sadist. <br /><br />When the coin comes scarred side up, they are pretty similar, though Black Mask is greedier and more motivated by self-interest. But half the time (in theory, anyway... they generally have him land on the scarred side 95% of the time) he's interested in maintaining law and order, which is nothing at all like Black Mask.Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12302687092773014075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018150878053576621.post-63891263131724350242009-12-12T07:35:09.452-05:002009-12-12T07:35:09.452-05:00His personality isn't similar to Two-Face at a...His personality isn't similar to Two-Face at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2018150878053576621.post-61342277408827801012009-12-12T01:04:31.797-05:002009-12-12T01:04:31.797-05:00Isn't Black Mask just a gangster version of Tw...Isn't Black Mask just a gangster version of Two-face, except more brutal (burning the face, past friendship with Bruce, etc)?Commissioner Gordonnoreply@blogger.com